yep looks like that’s just how the manga is

sorry guys i cant do this
this is why i prefer anime to manga
its fucking impossible to parse
like, the only reason i knew what’s going on is because i saw the anime and that’s just…. no.
establishing shots and transitions are important.

im outta here


You know I’m not even saying I’m getting really annoyed at Zeus, like that part was obvious from the beginning and then Apollo spelled it out by drawing parallel with Meg. But the hypocrisy??? It looks like the point of this exercise was to get Apollo to empathize with humans BUT WHAT ABOUT YOU DUDE

…then again am I surprised? No. No I am not.









Audrey says “fuck your gender roles”

This movie is super underrated.

Audrey is so underrated. How can you not love her?

I have a love-hate relationship with this movie.
On one hand it’s got awesome PoC characters who defy racial and gender stereotypes. It also discusses colonialism and how people tend to destroy indigenous cultures to obtain land and resources (which is why the crew ultimately decided a to pretend they never found Atlantis because they don’t want anyone else to try and destroy the culture).
But on the other hand, the whole plot is that Atlantis needs a white, cishet man to save it from extinction and for some reason he understand their culture and language better than they do.



I’ve been trying to tell people this for years. Also, what differentiates Milo’s experience from the white savior complex is his expectation and his attitude. When looking for Atlantis, the last thing Milo expects to find are people. He says the most they thought that they would find are carvings and pottery. And he would have been happy with just that.

And even when he finds the Atlanteans, he treats the culture and people with the utmost respect (peek the scene where the crew has their audience with the king). He never tries to interfere in the people’s way of life nor change them. He’s merely an observer fascinated with the culture/people and just wants to know more about them.

In most movies, the white savior comes into the situation with an attitude of superiority and only through his interactions with the native people (and a lot of times a beautiful native woman) is he humbled and then eventually brought in as an honorary member of the people. Milo never asks for thanks or wants to make a name for himself. He does what he does because he loves it and it’s a way to keep his grandfather’s legacy alive.

Yeah. Milo was a damn good dude.

Okay, so Atlantis is one of my all time favorite movies, and definitely in my top three Disney movies. I fucking love this movie. But, that being said, Milo being a “damn good dude” doesn’t change the fact that there are serious white savior tones to this movie.

Here’s the thing: yes, Milo is different from the typical white savior, but a character’s actions and behavior don’t negate the intent of the writer. It’s like the age old defense of oversexualized female characters by saying “but she chose to wear this!” No, she didn’t. A real live human being chose to draw her that way. Well, this is the same kind of thing. Yes, Milo is nice. Yes, Milo was respectful. Yes, he’s a good guy. But you know what? The writer still chose to create a story about a group of POC who needed a white man to save them and help preserve their culture. He knew more about their culture than they did, in some ways. He taught them about their own language and technology. And guess what? Some person chose to make the story that way. Somebody sat down and decided to make a narrative about a white dude who saves a bunch of POC and helps to restore their language and teach them how to use their own technology, and then save them from destruction. The writer chose to make him white, the writer chose to make the Atlantean people in need of rescue, both from outside forces and from the slow loss of certain aspects of their culture, and chose to make Milo the one to save them.

Whether or not Milo is a “damn good dude,” the people in charge of writing the story still made the conscious decision to make in a white savior narrative. Even if the character is respectful, the concept is not, plain and simple.

Thank you so much for adding that.



1/22/2017: The editor of the Annual Reviews and producer for Bloomberg news, Anna Rascouët-Paz, posted, and within an hour, deleted this tweet on Trump’s unabashedly fascistic “press” “conference”

Okay actually read this it’s unbelievably important

…this is a real thing, yeah. In Ukraine, most people are absolutely apathetic to the political process because “who the fuck knows, they’re all identically bad anyway”. Which might be not true, but between EVERYONE accusing EVERYONE of corruption, denying obvious charges and refusing to speak to the press, it feels like there really is no way to tell. Is this person claiming on social media to have witnessed something firsthand real or a paid political troll? ~nobody knows~. all press outlets are probably lying in favor of the media magnates that own or sponsor them. TV hasn’t told the truth once since being invented. Talk shows are the most reliable source of information because at least people sorta explain their reasoning there, but of course they are bullshit too. Everyone knows this

please don’t let this happen to you












A bit of an ironic statement coming from a mazoku.

When does Xel lie? Technically?

In REVO, he actually makes a statement to Wizer on how he makes it a point never to lie. (“You, on the other hand, seem to lie without a second thought.” or something like that.) I guess I always assumed that Xellos being a stickler for telling the truth- though not necessarily the whole truth- was canon. 

I have taken that statement and ran with it with my RPing :U The only time he has lied in the series was in sarcasm.

He lies by omission which is technically still a lie. That’s nor including his behavior. Deceitfulness is far more complex then making up stories.

He deliberately convinces people of things he knows to be untrue. He’s a liar, whether the individual statements he makes can be interpreted in a way to render them technically true or not.

My view: He makes it a point to tell the technical truth, but I don’t think he always does even that. I do not see “not lying” as some kind of moralistic code (for want of a better word), but rather I think it appeals to his sense of irony to tell the truth in completely deceptive ways. If that’s the reason, then that seems like something that’s more of a preference than a credo. If the situation calls for a lie, I believe he’d tell one outright. Word games are still just games.

I think a better way of putting it is that he ‘doesn’t lie but he’s not honest.’

He never technically tells an untruth, but he is selective of the truths he does tell. And if he can’t do that, he just says it’s a secret.

It’s definitely not a moral thing, I agree. It’s just trollin’ and I think he gets a kick out of it. 

He is, in general, remarkably honest – he answers questions he has no reason to, warns people of danger, is bad at concealing his true feelings (that last one might even count as a lie), and so on. His trolling often consists of being too honest , like the trap for Lina and the stolen rocket when he confessed to having taken it himself.

He only lies when he absolutely has to – or for shits and giggles, but those are easily recognizable as long as you know him the least bit. He is, in generally, honest, and defaults to telling the truth.

The other thing is that he prefes to be solely in control of the situation, and is not comfortable with collaboration even with someone who shares all of his goals – either he just has the situation exactly where he wants it and goes along with Lina’s tactics, or he won’t let others know what he’s doing. He doesn’t lie easily, and he isn’t good at evading direct questions, but his motives and goals are so much of an enigma he remains unpredictable just by default.

Fuck, I lost the first paragraph which mentioned his actual lies: to Lina that he was a priest of the temple Claire Bible was stolen from (confessed immediately), to Otherworlders that he was on their side, and to Lina at the beginning of Evo/Revo that he had nothing to do with the history of Taforashia (we didn’t learn what he did there in the end but from context it’s obvious, he twitched and squirmed and then teleported away when Lina pressed on).

Xelloss is not a good liar – he only successfully fools those who don’t know him well. But he doens’t have some sort of specific aversion to telling direct lies, and he’s not good at hiding dishonesty in general, as I pointed out above.

A Trickster who doesn’t lie directly but isn’t honest at all is a famous trope, and thing is, Xelloss doens’t fit it at all. His aversion to direct lies is not some sort of self-imposed challenge, he just isn’t good at it and appears to dislike it in general. All his secrecy comes from us not knowing anything about his underlying motives; as soon as those are known, he’s transparent as fuck.

he’s an adorable cutie and a very special snowflake okay

So about these examples, have you considered that maybe the subtitles aren’t quite accurate?

Your second example refers to an event that happened off screen so we don´t know how exactly he presented the alliance in the first place. Your third example is personal extrapolation of a character who has other reasons to be nervous.

So that leaves the first one.

to Lina that he was a priest of the temple Claire Bible was stolen from (confessed immediately),

What he actually says :

  • “Watashi wa sono ji ni tsukai no priest desu kara.”

Tsukai makes someone the user of a thing, be it demonbeasts (majuu) or magic (mahou) or a god (karyūō). It’s a odd to cite a physical place in this position. (Bit confused on how to translate a ni in the middle of it.)

As it stands, all he needs to have done for it to be true is for him to have been at that temple and used it for something, be it information, food, signing up for a course, requesting a prayer or pulling pranks, whatever. Hell, for all we know he temporarily joined trying to find the manuscript. He already is a priest and nowhere does he say he’s employed by whatever force the temple is dedicated to.

There’s no boku no ji here, only sono ji. First he describes the temple, waits for the inevitable question, then says that temple + plus connection to self so he has an angle to avoid saying my temple. His follow up sentences rely on implicit language, as is common in Japanese. The honor of the temple may well be damaged, but he doesn’t say our. The closest to a lie here is the use to torikaeshite, to recover, because it implies ownership, but even then, Xelloss’s concept of ownership is up to the situation.

He’s putting an awful lot of sentences to something that can be said in one : “I’m trying to restore the honor of my temple by recovering our stolen manuscript.” But that would be a flat out lie.

…about two and a half years ago all of this was fresh in my mind and I at least thought I knew what I was talking about

Now I am more adulter but I also barely remember what exactly happened

that said, I’m always up for Xelloss discourse even if I’m flying blind, and I at least remember what I was TRYING to say


okay, fair enough, subtitles weren’t accurate there and he really did technically not lie because of indirect phrasing, which is absolutely delightful on its own, I like that kind of thing a lot – but he did immediately say to Lina at least something along the lines of “wow, you sure are quick to trust a stranger”, making sure to MAKE her suspicious of him even if his lie was good enough and she wasn’t before

tricksters of the type I was thinking of generally rely on being good actors and using the entire situation to set up people assuming exactly what they want and not being suspicious of them. Yes, they might not use the directly untrue phrasing, but everything else in the circumstances works in favor of the ‘implied’ version of events.

Xelloss… does not do that.

Also, what was wrong with the third example? UGH WHY DID I NOT LINK IT oh well, whatever

Really, that I thought he didn’t lie directly was more or less secondary to my whole point of him Not Fitting The Trope in that he is GENERALLY HONEST AND A BAD ACTOR

and it’s not absolute! he can manage a lie and he can be dishonest, because he’s much more human and much less rigid than you’d expect from what he is

and that’s a delightful part of it – Xelloss does not have 20+ Cha so he succeeds at every interaction he attempts and maintains a steady image of what he does and does not do

the only consistent thing is that, again, he undermines his own lies and does not put a lot of work into maintaining them, and generally either can’t or won’t conceal his emotional reactions

and that’s adorable

@loghorizonfunfacts​ i think the thing we keep stumbling on in my reading of your posts is that i just. can’t go straight for the point you are intending to make while ignoring the details. details are what makes the point. if the details are wrong but the conclusion is correct the whole chain of logic is still Flawed

i don’t, like, HAVE to get hung up on that, i just like getting anal on small details when they’re something i like to talk about

it’s kind of like how when someone asks me my opinion on a piece of writing, my first instinct is to list the typos first and THEN get to actual content

like im not… insisting that your whole post is ABOUT that one clumsy phrasing. it’s my post that’s about it, and yours is fine. it’s not like im your supervisor insisting you fix it, im just talking about the thing that caught my attention is all

i’m going to assume this wasn’t spoilers because it never really is relevant… which is in itself a spoiler ._. oh well

this anime just isn’t exploiting character ages to their full potential